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every once in a while I come across

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someone so humble so knowledgeable and

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so dedicated to the mysteries of their

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particular region that I wonder how I

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could become so lucky then I realized

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that isn't about me

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synchronicities bring like minds

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together in the very same fashion as for

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Texas across the world are connected if

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you put the time in it's not a matter of

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if these amazing connections happen but

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rather when Missouri a home of high

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strangeness and nobody knows the

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backwoods and anomalous playgrounds

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better than our guests and guide to all

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things Missouri mr. Michael Huntington

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whether talking UFOs lights in the skies

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strange orbs spooklight Cesare called

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Momo the Missouri monster were urban

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legends like the AH baño farm

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or the infamous Marley woods talking

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geomancy lay Lyons the 37th parallel and

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a cult truce of river goddess worship

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mr. Michael Huntington is a season

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travel writer with articles presented

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all over the world all over the web

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including strange travels he's an

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experienced vlogger with works on

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motherboard somewhere in the skies

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outlets and more nobody has the pulse of

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all things mysterious and Missouri like

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mr. Michael Huntington we are blessed to

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have this Cape Girardeau resident share

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his perspectives theories and general

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overall knowledge with us and I couldn't

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be happier to introduce the hero of

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Missouri high strangeness mr. Michael

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Huntington to the hyper anomalous

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esoteric research organization podcast

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hi good evening Michael how you doing

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I'm doing good thanks for having me here

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I've been following your work for years

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and it's finally good to be able to talk

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to you man I'm so excited to talk to you

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there's there's so much that Missouri

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has to offer and I know that you're

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there pretty much boots on the ground

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and and not only that you're somebody

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that's like absolutely interested and

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wholeheartedly involved with this

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there's I mean there's castle ruins

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there's there's I mean it's Kansas City

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workhouse the psychiatric museums the

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devil's icebox

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the albino farm the infamous Marley

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woods I went to the Missouri State

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Penitentiary in Jefferson City expecting

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not too much and I was blown away and I

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mean it's absolutely and sincerely one

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of the neatest treasure troves of

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mystery in the United States yeah

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certainly a Missouri probably more than

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a lot of states and

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more than its fair share but strange

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happenings although I think if you look

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around pretty much you can find every

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state has some sort of but something

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along those lines you know some sort of

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haunted institution or you know an urban

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legend in velvet you know strange people

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and you know secret bases and the

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unusual hot spots yeah I'm from Missouri

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I was born in st. Louis back in the

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sixties I'm in my 50s so I'm a little

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older than some of the younger folks out

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there and I've been into this subject

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pretty much all of my life even since I

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was a little kid you know so it's been a

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lifelong thing and certainly living in

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Missouri you know we do have our motto

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as the show-me-state

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so we look at everything with sort of a

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skeptical eye but we do luckily had

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abundance of strange stories urban

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legends unusual phenomenon and locations

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that are still you know a variety of

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phenomena such as the Marley woods which

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is often called Azuri skinwalker ranch

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so but there's a lot of places like that

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Missouri and some good research come out

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of here and yeah pretty much

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I'm a travel writer I you know it's on

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my full-time job but I like to travel

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around and explore a lot of places and

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document them and yeah if you want to

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talk about Missouri or talking about

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some stuff yeah it's being a travel

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writer I'm really impressed with you

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know I guess I'll just be honest I've

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kind of been following your work as well

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for quite a while and I really think

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that the urban legends and you know

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being that you grew up in st. Louis you

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know and are so aware of all this

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there's there's so many urban legends

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that it's really kind of hard to

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separate the the wheat from the chaff so

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to speak because it seems like you

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everybody has an opinion and not many

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people

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have ever been to any of the locations

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and the ones who have keep it very close

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to the chest and it seems like they

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don't want to share much and I find that

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with with the Marley woods for example

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and what what it is it is it's it's it's

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it's fascinating what what what could

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you tell us about the Marley woods well

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yes the Marley woods has sort of been an

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admirer for the past 20 years or so

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mostly because there's not even such a

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place as Murli woods the Morley woods

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it's a it's a moniker that was devised

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by Ted Phillips the famous trace

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investigator who was dr. J Allen Hynek

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crow BJ incidentally a Missouri

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researcher very you know established and

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very respected he started doing a study

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in south-central Missouri at a couple of

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farms I think in the late 90s when he

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started looking into it but he wanted to

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do a scientific base observation project

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as much as we could and you know the

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best way to to make sure that people are

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not interfering with your investigation

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is to keep the location locked down

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because I think he and a lot of

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researchers are sort of of the notion if

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you're going to observe phenomena the

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best places to to do so is to find these

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anomalous spots where there is recurring

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phenomena where there where there are

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anomalies that are maybe not predictably

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observable but if you put the time and

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you'll more than likely to come across

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something I think that the approach that

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was that that was tried at skinwalker is

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the same sort of thing you know and you

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know that's the big deal with a lot of

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these phenomena is trying to lock them

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down to be able to study them you know

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because they seem to move and they seem

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to almost have a mind of their own

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so you know it's understandable that you

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would kind of keep it like down and

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that's what that's what Enzo's did yet

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he had a special investigative unit

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comprised of some Missouri researchers

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and they observed her they around a

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decade at least and I caught some

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interesting anomalous stuff at this

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location and it's sort of a semi secret

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location out of respect for Ted

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Phillips's it's generally not exploited

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or promoted or you know the folks don't

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go generally into the specific location

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where he did this investigations you

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know out of respect because it is their

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their project and I do think there's

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going to be some stuff coming out I

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think they are finally going to put some

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of that stuff together and into some

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movies or whatever so we can look

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forward to that but the Marlene woods is

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actually not just a series of farms it's

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actually an entire area there's there's

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a whole it's sort of a triangular area

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was an interesting but it's a all

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throughout that whole region and indeed

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throughout all of Southeast Missouri

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there have been recurring instances of

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strange phenomena in a lot of these same

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locations now certainly some of them are

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going to be urban legends but those you

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know urban legends we can sort of

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separate separate the wheat from the

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chaff we can sort of identify what is

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you know stories that teenagers tell you

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know such as the failed final farm you

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know near Springfield which really

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hasn't you know been documented as being

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a legitimate thing outside of you know

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teenage war but certainly if there's a

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long history going back you know even to

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Native times in some of these locations

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of having strange phenomena that it's

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something that you can take a look at

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and the Marley would it is very similar

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in a lot of ways you know to skinwalker

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situation you know

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the study was done on a couple of you

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know ranches although the entire base in

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there is actually phenomenological you

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know same thing with the Marley woods

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the whole region down there is

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phenomenological and there's a variety

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of buzz things that have have occurred

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UFOs have been seen lights have been

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seen you know strange orbs you know

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everybody's familiar with the best of

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both sides amber or white or you know

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spook lights is another term that you

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could call them cattle mutilations a

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cryptid sightings of creatures weird

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times flips and sort of poltergeist like

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activity has been alleged by observers

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researchers as well as people in those

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areas that are willing to come forward

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vortex light phenomenon you know strange

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atmospheric openings you know for lack

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of a better word where things come in

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and out seemingly so very similar sort

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of thing and I think if you look around

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enough you'll find a number of places

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like this where things can be you know

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readily experienced and and where

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science and research should focus its

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attention because that's you know we can

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we can debate whether the Pentagon has

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all the secrets but ultimately you know

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we still need to focus on the phenomena

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and try to engage it and try to

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understand it you know where it's at and

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I think there's a lot of places out

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Yakima lights Marfa lights there's you

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know there's spook lights galore they're

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responding places galore there's there's

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places where there's a you know a lot of

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activity centralized and the Marley

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through there half a dozen times

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you know just to document and take

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pictures and I really haven't anything

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overt happens to be there but of course

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I didn't spend long periods of time but

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you know yo you get those those photos

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and video anomalies that sort of show up

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you know which is an intriguing thing

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that's necessarily evidentiary in itself

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but I think it's worthy of further study

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and I think places like this are worthy

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of long-term study and study that can

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that we can all be involved in instead

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of you know say keeping it secret and

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proprietary you know that sort of

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frustrating thing you know because we

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want to know more and we want to dig

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into these places and and find out some

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of the mysteries and try to answer some

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of these things which is what we should

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do we should definitely try to get out

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there and visit some of these spots if

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we can that's awesome

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and Michael teeth I hate to pinpoint

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that I know everybody wants to know

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where the Maile woods are and it's like

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it's kind of how skin walk used to be

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that that whole shapeshifter corridor

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area used to be where everybody wanted

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to know where it is nobody really knew

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and then as time developed certain

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individuals and people and and you know

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institutions and and such it eventually

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made the limelight let's say or the

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attention it was grabbed the attention

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of the people was grabbed in the area

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before then it was just locals that knew

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and I I don't want a pinpoint and

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because I respect the semi secret

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location would it be wrong to assume

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that it is somewhere around the lake of

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the ozarks okay perfect

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that's good because that's I will I did

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write an article recently for the

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International paranormal Inquisitor if

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people want to kind of check that out it

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has a larger map on there of the region

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and pretty much in the center of that

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map is where the the Ted Phillips's

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group did their study I don't want to

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you know tell people or the exact study

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was although like I said if you do your

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research you'll be able to plan some

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places that actually go into detail more

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there's couple websites out there

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the Missouri investigators group which

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is conducted of Missourians has some

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more detailed information if you want to

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you know be in the same spot where you

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know Phillips and his people you know

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did their observations but you know

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they're there study pretty much you know

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Peter now you know a decade or so ago so

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there are other investigators actually

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conducting some field investigations

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throughout that area and it's not just

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that handful of farms where they were

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given permission you know to camp out

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it's actually the the entire area in

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south-central Missouri

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you know west of West Plains east of

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Alton you know all within that corridor

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and that those those ranches and farms

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and what it feels it is pretty anomalous

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and so you know it says yeah I just

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don't want to step on no no the ferries

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work so much and but it is important

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that we do look at these things and do

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recognize that there are a long term

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that there are places that are deserving

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a long term study and I I try to

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encourage people to focus on on some of

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these anomalous spots because that's

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where we can get some data as opposed to

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just being reactionary and you know just

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taking a report after the fact you know

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and then but yeah so at South Central

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Missouri area east of southeast of Lake

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of the Ozarks a couple hours from there

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awesome uh the the reason I asked and

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the only reason I asked is because I

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remember and again this is going off of

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like memory which I'm getting up there

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in years

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Chris O'Brien had mentioned on a podcast

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I couldn't find it before we recorded

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this one but he had mentioned some odd

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goings-on around the lake of the ozarks

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and that's the only reason I mentioned

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it but I think you're right that there's

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there's so much going on all over and I

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completely understand the the secret

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location and the ability to try to keep

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those areas somewhat locked down because

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and I I recently purchased a property

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that I've I totally went around about

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this the wrong way and you know I was

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like oh great we've got a spot and you

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know I got a piece of the pie in oddly

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enough it is also triangular and form as

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you mentioned and I noticed that these

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these areas these urban legend areas

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that have Timeslips mutilations vortex

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like phenomena it's not only difficult

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to keep the locations locked down but

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you find that from time to time it's

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it's not a matter of like if you're

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gonna see something it's a matter of

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when and you know you'd mentioned that

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with the albino farm near Springfield do

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you think that is mostly hype I mean

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there's been really really bad movies

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made about it some pretty yeah it's is

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get ye it'll eat any legitimacy to that

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well there's always some legitimacy to

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the stories because ultimately you know

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a lot of this stuff comes down to

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anecdote and it does come down to small

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town you know lore and urban legend and

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rumors even if you know there's

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something substantive behind it you know

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they they still hold their place within

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these communities as you know

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influencing the culture and yeah and

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part of the history you know you can't

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really escape that I do think there are

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urban legends that

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their basis and truth and then there are

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urban legends that have their bases in a

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pop culture or some sort of circumstance

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that was just sort of extrapolated and

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changed over the decades the albino farm

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near Springfield Missouri I think for

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the most part it is an urban legend

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because people have looked into it

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researchers had tried to nail it down

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they've been able to nail down you know

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the specific farm and you know the

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families about but they're you know as

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to rumors of secret government

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experiment on albino children and all

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that you know there's really nothing

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there to substantiate that it it or may

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not be the case but I think largely at

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least that urban legend is an urban

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legend

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cuz whether they're there there's really

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nothing else to back up any of the other

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contentions other than it was a real

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place and maybe at one time there was

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you know an albino or two the person was

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you know the pigment derived not present

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in their body that gives them circle

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white appearance or whatever even the

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term of I know I think it's sort of a

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you know consider to splurge so I do

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apologize you know that that that is

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what it's called but yeah I haven't been

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out there to the specific spot I know

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where exact if I do make it at the

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Springfield I'm sure you know if I have

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time I'll try to do some documenting

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because you know I'm all about the

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stories and the Lord and and documenting

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the locations and then you know letting

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them stand where they where they stand

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you know absolutely it's interesting

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that these locations

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much like the albino farm that I'm so

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glad that you said that it is not

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because that's always been my stance so

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I appreciate that but

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getting back to the strange orbs the

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spook lights the UFOs do you think

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Missouri has been bypassed because it's

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just been overlooked

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I think it's been overlooked personally

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well you can you can get that

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interpretation but I think it's a

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mistaken interpretation because Missouri

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actually has been at the center of the

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apology for a number of times it has on

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more than one occasion than the state

436
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with the highest reports from time to

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time it does have an active MUFON group

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that constantly is investigating

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aircraft

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I think the hotspot for seeing UFOs this

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is near Whiteman Air Force Base just

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outside of Kansas City where we

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incidentally have all of our stealth

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bombers located and nuclear weapons and

445
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incidentally at the home of the five-o a

446
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nice bond group bomb group the guys that

447
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you know supposedly found the saucer

448
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Roswell

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most of our sightings I around that area

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although Missouri has had a history of

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sightings going back to you know the the

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modern age of flying saucers Missouri

453
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actually the flying saucer groups in

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Missouri actually were from where MUFON

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Springs so you know MUFON has it's grass

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roots here in Missouri Ted Phillips is

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from Missouri and as I said he

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investigated I think 3,000 or more you

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know waning visits over the course of

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his studies most of that stuff was done

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in Missouri

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I have retraced and visited dozens and

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dozens of some of his original what a

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cases you know just to go there and take

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because I think it's you know it's

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needed for the history documented some

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of this stuff yeah I think got a Hynek

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and the ten Phillips's first case

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together was at Loring River just south

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of Springfield so you know it has that

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and of course Missouri you know aside

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from its its number of sightings there

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was an alleged flying saucer crash in

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1941 outside of Cape Girardeau work

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where I'm at

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there was a very public flap of

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encounters that occurred around Piedmont

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1973 hundreds and hundreds of people

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some of them masked Encounters of UFOs

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over over months near Piedmont Missouri

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impression creek area which is actually

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this east oppa of the Marly woods area

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that there were so many that Hynek

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actually came down for a couple days

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they actually sent divers into the the

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lake here because people encountered us

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Oh is over the water and it also

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instigated as the first University and

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I'm not talking Condon they got County

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Committee

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suddenly you know was the University of

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Colorado study instigated by the

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airport's but the first real sort of

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University Department study into UFOs

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came out of Southeast Missouri State

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here under Harley Rutledge dr. Harley

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Rutledge who was the head of

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astrophysics he he did a study in

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Piedmont of the lights and roads the

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project was called project that

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identification he wrote a book

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publishing his findings and he came to

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the conclusion that you know there were

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there was some sort of our norm unknown

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phenomena that could be you know

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categorized it could be you know

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quantified it could be observed he

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called him protostars

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you know

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woods in the early 2000s where Ted

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Phillips and some Missouri researchers

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engaged in that study Missouri also a

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couple of the researchers that were

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involved in Ted Phillips study Debbie's

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Eagle Meier and her brother Chris

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Zukowski they're brother and sisters

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they actually came up with that you know

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from studying a lot of the cases in

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Missouri the theory of the 37th parallel

520
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that was written and Ben Mezrich book

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and it's now a you know a TV show

522
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alien highway yeah the northern part of

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the Marley woods actually goes along

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that that parallel and I think that

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parallel does extend all the way out to

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to Utah as they say in that book so yeah

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Missouri has had its fair share in UFOs

528
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:14,880
definitely but it's also you know got

529
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:17,340
the Missouri monster Bigfoots

530
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,809
you know there's a movie out about it

531
00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:20,960
right now that you can check out and

532
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:25,470
indeed Missouri has quite a few haunted

533
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:26,340
locations

534
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:29,490
you know spook hollows and ghost leg

535
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:33,539
roads and you know the Joplin lights

536
00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:38,460
near Missouri are pretty famous and and

537
00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:41,070
there's you know haunted places like the

538
00:27:45,529 --> 00:27:43,350
original Exorcist house you know where

539
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:45,539
the real Exorcist story took place that

540
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:48,419
was in st. Louis went mansion in st.

541
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:50,610
Louis and yet yeah there's on in

542
00:27:56,270 --> 00:27:52,830
cemeteries and haunted houses and

543
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:56,280
haunted prisons and the institutions and

544
00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:58,260
hospitals all over the state so Missouri

545
00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:00,900
does have an abundance of this sort of

546
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:04,200
strangers in a long history of trends

547
00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:07,650
you were trying to relate to it and come

548
00:28:11,529 --> 00:28:10,470
up come up with some answers Michael I

549
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:11,539
think it's so

550
00:28:17,889 --> 00:28:14,330
that it really does and I don't think

551
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:17,899
anyone is really I mean when I was

552
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:20,450
searching my very best friend lives in

553
00:28:25,539 --> 00:28:22,970
Missouri and he's a pastor he's a

554
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,549
Baptist paps pastor and he's he's

555
00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:27,200
interested in the paranormal but more

556
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:29,590
from a theology SAN standpoint and he

557
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:33,049
you know he's interested in this stuff

558
00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:37,129
and it's hard to navigate because in

559
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,950
other areas it's very easy to find the

560
00:28:44,769 --> 00:28:42,320
quote-unquote expert in an area but

561
00:28:47,009 --> 00:28:44,779
Missouri it seems like even finding

562
00:28:50,259 --> 00:28:47,019
someone who is involved with or

563
00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:50,269
understands the functions of the

564
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:52,070
landscape like you do it's it's

565
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:56,090
difficult and I I really I just have to

566
00:29:01,539 --> 00:28:58,970
tip my hat to you because you're you're

567
00:29:03,339 --> 00:29:01,549
you're very interested in this and I'm

568
00:29:06,849 --> 00:29:03,349
glad that you mentioned the Bigfoot

569
00:29:08,349 --> 00:29:06,859
Michael because Momo how can you you

570
00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:08,359
know how can you have a Missouri

571
00:29:11,739 --> 00:29:10,070
conversation we're gonna have to have

572
00:29:13,810 --> 00:29:11,749
you back on the podcast cousin hours not

573
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:13,820
enough for Missouri okay

574
00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:17,330
the Momo the you know the whole Momo

575
00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:17,960
thing

576
00:29:27,539 --> 00:29:23,119
I mean Missouri is it's just a

577
00:29:32,649 --> 00:29:27,549
checkerboard of mysterious events and

578
00:29:36,629 --> 00:29:32,659
what have you heard of the the areas and

579
00:29:39,369 --> 00:29:36,639
the situations where Momo has been

580
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:39,379
interacted with or seen I know a lot of

581
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:43,279
people may not know what Momo is but and

582
00:29:46,539 --> 00:29:45,049
I want to get to everything but there's

583
00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:46,549
just not time there's the Whitman Air

584
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,820
Force is there's like well we'll leave

585
00:29:54,820 --> 00:29:51,039
that for next time

586
00:29:58,810 --> 00:29:54,830
we should say the Momo which stands for

587
00:30:02,830 --> 00:29:58,820
of Missouri monster Momo specifically

588
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:02,840
was a certain creature Bigfoot life but

589
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:04,970
also very different than your typical

590
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:07,849
Bigfoot hominid it was seen around the

591
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:09,859
town of Louisiana Missouri which is up

592
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:11,690
in the northeastern part of the state on

593
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:15,330
the Mississippi River back in the

594
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,700
the 71-72 primarily and it became a

595
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:23,039
monster craze you know the press from

596
00:30:27,499 --> 00:30:24,840
all over the world kind of focused on it

597
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:27,509
you know with the tabloid journalism of

598
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,610
the seventies you know sensationalism

599
00:30:35,139 --> 00:30:31,679
and monsters and weirdness was

600
00:30:38,779 --> 00:30:35,149
everywhere so and but there were

601
00:30:40,879 --> 00:30:38,789
legitimately a lot of sightings okay

602
00:30:44,619 --> 00:30:40,889
there's different theories as to whether

603
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:44,629
or not you know it was a hoax hysteria

604
00:30:51,229 --> 00:30:48,539
something underlying that was legitimate

605
00:30:54,859 --> 00:30:51,239
but Momo is different than other

606
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,869
Missouri Bigfoot creatures in that you

607
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,340
know throughout other parts of the state

608
00:31:01,700 --> 00:30:58,320
Bigfoot generally fits that description

609
00:31:06,739 --> 00:31:01,710
you know of being eight foot tall you

610
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:06,749
know 300 pounds you know five digits on

611
00:31:13,539 --> 00:31:08,820
the toes or whatever Momo was a little

612
00:31:17,869 --> 00:31:13,549
different you know hairier shed years

613
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:17,879
glowing orange eyes three toes and and

614
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:20,070
you know there is more of an UFO

615
00:31:27,229 --> 00:31:23,340
connection to that creature than the

616
00:31:30,109 --> 00:31:27,239
other month Missouri stuff but yeah we

617
00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:30,119
can we go into detail some other time if

618
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:31,950
you want I agree I think that's a good a

619
00:31:36,109 --> 00:31:34,049
really yeah that's a certain way yeah

620
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:36,119
what you talking about there's a whole

621
00:31:41,779 --> 00:31:39,720
other podcast there it you know I'm

622
00:31:43,099 --> 00:31:41,789
really glad that you brought up to 37th

623
00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:43,109
parallel and Ben Mezrich

624
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,720
and the the UFO phenomenon because

625
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:50,399
there's there's a lot there there's a

626
00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:54,090
lot there do you think that these I know

627
00:32:01,220 --> 00:31:57,230
people will go a little bit wild with

628
00:32:03,859 --> 00:32:01,230
the G oh man see a bit but is there

629
00:32:08,299 --> 00:32:03,869
something to that parallel and to the

630
00:32:10,849 --> 00:32:08,309
ley lines well you know there's sort of

631
00:32:13,009 --> 00:32:10,859
a debate right now with any apology and

632
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:13,019
I think it's a or the research UFO

633
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:14,970
research community I think it's a good

634
00:32:20,060 --> 00:32:17,820
debate to have there's a debate as to

635
00:32:23,659 --> 00:32:20,070
whether or not there are even such

636
00:32:25,369 --> 00:32:23,669
places as hot spots okay and certainly

637
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:25,379
you know if you have a line a line is

638
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:27,130
good series of

639
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:30,880
you know points on a map so you know you

640
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:32,650
sort of do have to get back to that idea

641
00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:36,370
are there hot spots and and what are

642
00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:39,340
their characteristics and I and you know

643
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:41,140
it could be argued certainly from a

644
00:32:46,049 --> 00:32:43,690
statistical point of view you know if

645
00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:46,059
you talk to somebody like Cheryl Koster

646
00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:48,580
who just does reporting data and you

647
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:50,860
know can calculate reports and put them

648
00:32:56,190 --> 00:32:53,470
on a map or whatever it appears that the

649
00:32:59,640 --> 00:32:56,200
phenomena is everywhere and it appears

650
00:33:02,850 --> 00:32:59,650
that you know maybe it's random or you

651
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:02,860
know tied in to population you know

652
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:04,330
certainly you have to have a witness to

653
00:33:09,659 --> 00:33:07,960
witness something right so so that's an

654
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:09,669
interesting sort of thing but but I

655
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:12,010
think a lot of the statistical

656
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:18,120
approaches are dismissive of traditional

657
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:23,110
stories tied to locations okay not it's

658
00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:24,850
nowhere in those statistics those you

659
00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:26,260
have both the tests are you going to

660
00:33:33,270 --> 00:33:30,460
find Bigfoot accounts boring taxes you

661
00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:33,280
know cattle mutilations a Bigfoot or

662
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:35,830
whatever nor are you to find long

663
00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:38,500
traditional stories you know lure even

664
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:41,260
folklore even religious tales going back

665
00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:44,350
to the natives you know which also needs

666
00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:46,360
to be taken into account I think if a

667
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:52,150
place is active and has been active for

668
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,850
a long period of time you know you know

669
00:34:00,960 --> 00:33:56,559
maybe a hundred years or whatever and

670
00:34:04,770 --> 00:34:00,970
there are stories anecdote in entails

671
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:04,780
that go back then I think that backs up

672
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:07,480
the notion that some places is a

673
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,510
localized anomalous area now what does

674
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:15,760
that mean well you know we're sort of

675
00:34:23,099 --> 00:34:19,570
getting into the big questions here you

676
00:34:28,889 --> 00:34:23,109
know with ghost Bigfoot UFOs on it

677
00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:28,899
places what makes a place active right

678
00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:32,200
why are certain phenomenological

679
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:35,409
anomalous events occurring at specific

680
00:34:40,610 --> 00:34:39,550
places tied to geography some people

681
00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:40,620
have speculated

682
00:34:47,630 --> 00:34:44,100
energy lines have you know talked about

683
00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:47,640
the magnetosphere and you know there are

684
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:49,880
certain electromagnetic things that

685
00:34:55,910 --> 00:34:54,060
allow who knows spiritual beings or

686
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:55,920
interdimensional or whatever there are

687
00:35:00,980 --> 00:34:58,890
degrees of you know sort of a spiritual

688
00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:00,990
approach or you know a scientific

689
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:03,360
approach with this delay line stuff

690
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:05,850
generally it's been sort of you know it

691
00:35:12,260 --> 00:35:10,200
does have its magical components but you

692
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:12,270
know if we're trying to look at stuff

693
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:14,130
objectively and rationally and

694
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:17,640
scientifically if some place does have a

695
00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:20,460
demonstration or it demonstrates that it

696
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:23,580
is phenomenological and it's repeatable

697
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:26,760
and therefore observational you know

698
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:28,680
then we get into you know what's causing

699
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:31,980
this what allows for this what within

700
00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:36,510
the geology the geography you know the

701
00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:39,900
conditions are allowing these you know

702
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:43,080
these anomalous events of the only place

703
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,330
that's really done long-term Studies on

704
00:35:52,070 --> 00:35:48,480
this is hash them in Norway they have

705
00:35:54,590 --> 00:35:52,080
had a long term field study observing

706
00:35:58,210 --> 00:35:54,600
this anomalous area since the eighties

707
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:58,220
and they're still going to this day and

708
00:36:01,970 --> 00:36:00,300
things have been observed they had

709
00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:01,980
things have been recorded in things have

710
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:04,350
been medically scientific data so there

711
00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:09,090
is something there you know now what

712
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:12,230
does that mean are certain areas

713
00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:16,440
creating some sort of natural occurrence

714
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,630
that were not aware of there are

715
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:20,880
theories as to you know maybe certain

716
00:36:27,110 --> 00:36:23,610
orbs or earth lights you know some sort

717
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:27,120
of unknown poignant plasma that has high

718
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:29,270
electromagnetic fields and kind of can

719
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:31,590
influence how we perceive them or

720
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:34,980
whatever others have extrapolated the

721
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:39,240
notion that maybe certain areas allow

722
00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:45,110
for quantum fluctuations to where

723
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,060
realities can be traversed you know the

724
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:51,200
interdimensional sort of thing the

725
00:36:54,830 --> 00:36:54,210
interdimensional portal or gateway or at

726
00:36:57,020 --> 00:36:54,840
least

727
00:37:00,500 --> 00:36:57,030
a place where it's easier to go through

728
00:37:02,570 --> 00:37:00,510
or in and out or you know maybe maybe

729
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:02,580
there are just some places geologically

730
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:06,510
natural that allow for you know blurring

731
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:11,040
of realities or at least a a influence

732
00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:15,420
upon our perceptions so I think that's

733
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:18,750
where we need to go ultimately is to you

734
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:21,180
know look at these localized places and

735
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:25,770
do study that the the geography I think

736
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:28,110
one thing you do find it a lot of hot

737
00:37:36,110 --> 00:37:34,170
spots is Springs underwater Springs you

738
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:36,120
know some sort of flowing water under

739
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:40,320
underneath would that contribute to you

740
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,180
know some sort of earth place phenomena

741
00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:44,640
some sort of blank plasma maybe but it

742
00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:46,620
it also doesn't explain to you know a

743
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:48,630
lot of the more high strangest stuff you

744
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:52,410
know like physical craft and cattle

745
00:37:56,350 --> 00:37:54,060
mutilations you know certainly it can't

746
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:56,360
be explained by you know some sort of

747
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:00,240
atmospheric phenomena but each case and

748
00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:02,610
each place should be looked at it on its

749
00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:04,470
own merit some places I think are more

750
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:07,470
active than others some places exhibit

751
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:09,090
certain types of phenomena and others

752
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:13,470
don't so you know with it we do need to

753
00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:15,960
start looking at these I there's a new

754
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:17,580
phrase out there it's called luminol

755
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,380
cartography and it's pretty much what I

756
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:25,200
do and other people do we travel around

757
00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:27,810
and we try to you know first document as

758
00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:30,980
many anomalous places as we can

759
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:34,230
certainly you know for heritage to

760
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:35,970
preserve the folklore because a lot of

761
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:38,310
these small towns are dying and with

762
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:40,410
them their stories are dying you know so

763
00:38:45,620 --> 00:38:43,110
that just from a sociological folklore

764
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:45,630
expanse it's good to document some of

765
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:49,980
this stuff but you know I put pins on

766
00:38:56,660 --> 00:38:53,700
maps and I also Google stuff and you can

767
00:39:00,080 --> 00:38:56,670
see pattern it's amazing you know all

768
00:39:02,930 --> 00:39:00,090
around the Marley woods you know just

769
00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:02,940
north of the Marley was is where a UFO

770
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:06,150
contactee named buck Nelson had flying

771
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:08,520
saucer convention he claimed that

772
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:10,530
aliens will come down use a classic you

773
00:39:15,260 --> 00:39:13,890
know 50s era contactees that's just

774
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:15,270
north of the Marley woods about a

775
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:16,020
coincidence

776
00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:20,760
I don't know we're pretty far out here

777
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:24,030
we're in rural Missouri you know for

778
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,280
people to make some of these claims no

779
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:28,260
there's got to be some basis and then

780
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:30,060
just a few miles to the west of that

781
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:33,960
near Norwood there were 30 cattle

782
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:39,200
mutilations you know a decade or so ago

783
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:43,530
so every everywhere around you know it's

784
00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:45,090
there's there's a lot of different

785
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:47,640
things that sort of make you wonder it's

786
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:52,050
like you know are these connected I I'm

787
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:54,690
really interested in what you're talking

788
00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:57,960
about with this and I think that you're

789
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:01,020
right there is there's something there

790
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:03,000
and I think the waterways may be a key

791
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:06,180
issue Heche Stalin is at the top of my

792
00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:08,310
list of places to visit I probably won't

793
00:40:13,070 --> 00:40:10,590
go there until I go with another local

794
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:13,080
researcher here in Utah Erica Luke's

795
00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:16,200
because I I don't know about the area

796
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:20,790
and but but back to the water it's it's

797
00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:23,210
an area you know this you know

798
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:25,350
oftentimes these waterways have been

799
00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:27,270
revered as there's a lot of river

800
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:29,670
worship and goddess worship with like

801
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:32,520
the purification and the man Satori

802
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:34,650
powers that the worst thing the river

803
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:38,910
traditionally involves and Missouri is a

804
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:42,470
main artery for not only a waterway but

805
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:47,910
you know multiple waterways and it you

806
00:40:52,070 --> 00:40:49,290
know whether it's the Missouri the

807
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,080
Mississippi that do you think I mean and

808
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:54,480
it says this this is obviously across

809
00:40:59,300 --> 00:40:56,730
the country this you see this also in

810
00:41:03,140 --> 00:40:59,310
the shape-shifter corridor where water

811
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:03,150
is very rare and you see this in the

812
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:05,070
Susquehanna Valley in Pennsylvania like

813
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,820
do you think that a water deity or like

814
00:41:12,490 --> 00:41:10,380
in mythology associated with these

815
00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:12,500
things do you think that there is a

816
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:16,080
crossover to some of these anomalous

817
00:41:21,499 --> 00:41:19,890
lights behaviors and patterns that we

818
00:41:25,579 --> 00:41:21,509
see

819
00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:25,589
well I think it's a possibility

820
00:41:30,089 --> 00:41:28,420
certainly Missouri does have a lot of

821
00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:30,099
you know underground streams and

822
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:31,960
aquifers and Springs and sites you know

823
00:41:37,859 --> 00:41:33,910
the Ozarks is you know it's actually a

824
00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:37,869
mountain you know system in Missouri and

825
00:41:45,329 --> 00:41:40,150
there's a lot of things going on but I

826
00:41:49,019 --> 00:41:45,339
do think in some places certainly the

827
00:41:52,289 --> 00:41:49,029
how the geographies is arranged you know

828
00:41:56,279 --> 00:41:52,299
what minerals are in it and how water is

829
00:41:58,349 --> 00:41:56,289
flowing certainly can have the

830
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:58,359
possibility of creating some sort of

831
00:42:03,959 --> 00:42:01,839
natural phenomena that we are unaware of

832
00:42:06,479 --> 00:42:03,969
and we're still discovering stuff you

833
00:42:08,099 --> 00:42:06,489
know we only discovered high atmospheric

834
00:42:11,279 --> 00:42:08,109
sprites you know just within the past

835
00:42:13,469 --> 00:42:11,289
decade or so and and they're getting

836
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:13,479
photos and documenting them and you know

837
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:16,710
finding the varieties and whatnot so

838
00:42:23,099 --> 00:42:20,910
there's still a lot to learn as far as

839
00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:23,109
geological science and atmospheric

840
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:27,190
science as to water ways being

841
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:32,079
traditional spots you know with you know

842
00:42:35,549 --> 00:42:33,670
a magical component to it and a

843
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:35,559
phenomenological component to it I mean

844
00:42:42,299 --> 00:42:39,660
certainly there are native stories of

845
00:42:45,089 --> 00:42:42,309
creatures you know along the Mississippi

846
00:42:48,479 --> 00:42:45,099
in the Mississippi you know in the in

847
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:48,489
the ponds and streams around here you

848
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:50,950
know they go that go back and you know

849
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:54,640
there's there's newer stories even you

850
00:43:01,229 --> 00:42:56,650
know related there's a town just across

851
00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:01,239
the river over here called a Grand Tower

852
00:43:06,329 --> 00:43:03,640
and it's called that because there's a

853
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:06,339
rock teacher in the middle of the

854
00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:09,729
Mississippi okay and it's a it's like a

855
00:43:18,539 --> 00:43:14,380
rock and it's called Tower Rock and that

856
00:43:20,729 --> 00:43:18,549
place has the the rock itself goes back

857
00:43:23,609 --> 00:43:20,739
to the Indian lore as being a you know a

858
00:43:25,469 --> 00:43:23,619
haunted place and soft limits are the

859
00:43:28,349 --> 00:43:25,479
conquista doors when they explored the

860
00:43:32,459 --> 00:43:28,359
the Mississippi actually placed the

861
00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:32,469
cross at the top of it too to note the

862
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:33,470
expansion

863
00:43:39,579 --> 00:43:36,530
you know the Spanish conquest you know

864
00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:39,589
and there's stories to go back to there

865
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:43,550
and in this little town of Grand Tower

866
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:47,930
there are haunted houses the mountain

867
00:43:52,270 --> 00:43:50,210
range is called The Devil's Backbone and

868
00:43:54,370 --> 00:43:52,280
all the features are seem to be related

869
00:43:57,309 --> 00:43:54,380
to the devil at one time there were like

870
00:44:02,370 --> 00:43:57,319
pirates like river pirates there that

871
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:02,380
lived in the caves and strange creatures

872
00:44:08,829 --> 00:44:05,240
the Murphysboro mud monster was seen

873
00:44:10,990 --> 00:44:08,839
there in the 70s and and at the same

874
00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:11,000
time of the appeasement encounter over

875
00:44:18,099 --> 00:44:14,900
there there was two instances of UFOs

876
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:18,109
siphoning electricity off of the local

877
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:20,770
power plant that were observed you know

878
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:23,890
UFOs were observed siphoning electricity

879
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:26,390
seemingly before they were chased off by

880
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:29,720
jets but with it

881
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:32,690
the reason i bring that up is that read

882
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:35,750
that area right there were power iraq is

883
00:44:40,690 --> 00:44:39,200
is one of the spots on the mississippi

884
00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:40,700
river and i've talked to river about

885
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,140
people who navigated the river it's one

886
00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:48,319
spot where they're there some other

887
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:54,980
equipment seems to fail okay it's there

888
00:44:59,500 --> 00:44:57,290
there sometimes their navigational stuff

889
00:45:02,880 --> 00:44:59,510
will fail sometimes their communication

890
00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:02,890
stuff equipment will fail

891
00:45:09,609 --> 00:45:06,950
you know it's sort of a frequent thing

892
00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:09,619
but it's like it's known as just being a

893
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:13,160
place for some reasons where you know

894
00:45:16,660 --> 00:45:15,710
you might get your radio cut out of it

895
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:16,670
you know it's also there's a little

896
00:45:22,839 --> 00:45:19,609
whirlpools and stuff there so that gets

897
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:22,849
to the question of you know you haven't

898
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:25,849
a lot anomalous spot in a place with a

899
00:45:31,150 --> 00:45:28,010
history in a plethora of you know

900
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:31,160
weirdness going on and then you also

901
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:36,050
have some actual scientific anomalous

902
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:39,470
stuff occurring that seems connected to

903
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:42,290
the river and seems connected to perhaps

904
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:46,440
the geology that you know

905
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:49,110
makes you wonder and certainly should be

906
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,130
looked at and all of these things should

907
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:55,380
be taken into consideration and thank

908
00:46:03,170 --> 00:45:58,050
all of these variant stories I think

909
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,180
sort of created ponderings of evidence

910
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:05,640
not that conclusive of anything but at

911
00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:09,480
least demonstrates that there are areas

912
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:11,820
that are phenomenological and in a lot

913
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:14,150
of cases they are connected to water

914
00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:17,010
yeah I'm glad that you brought up Tower

915
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:20,100
Rock Michael that's so cool because you

916
00:46:23,350 --> 00:46:21,960
know it reminds me a lot it's almost

917
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:23,360
like it doesn't belong there

918
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:25,380
geographically it's much like Devil's

919
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:26,130
Tower

920
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:28,470
you know it's right and you know we know

921
00:46:33,590 --> 00:46:31,250
Devil's Tower from Close Encounters and

922
00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:33,600
you know it's one of those areas that

923
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:36,150
not only did I went before I was married

924
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:38,040
I used to love riding my Harley there

925
00:46:44,090 --> 00:46:40,440
from you know the Sturgis and the Black

926
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:44,100
Hills but these areas you know it seems

927
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:46,350
like they they they're different and

928
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:48,780
they're there there's something

929
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:50,940
different about them and when it comes

930
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:53,730
to the waterways I think you know so

931
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:56,520
often in history we see things like

932
00:47:02,210 --> 00:47:00,060
Egypt and the river worship there you

933
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:02,220
know with the Nile and if the United

934
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:04,290
States had a Nile it would be in

935
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:08,520
Missouri no question there's no question

936
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,220
about that and the time line with the

937
00:47:15,350 --> 00:47:12,960
Marlee woods and I know I'm throwing a

938
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,360
lot out here but I know we have a little

939
00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:17,280
bit of time left but the time line with

940
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:19,350
the Marlee woods you mentioned seems

941
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:24,000
eerily familiar with the time line in

942
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:26,250
the shape-shifter corridor of Utah

943
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:28,020
they're in shapeshifter territory and

944
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:32,970
you know do you think that there's

945
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:35,880
something about that so that 37th

946
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:38,850
parallel and the waterways that may be

947
00:47:45,350 --> 00:47:41,130
cyclical or that this is something that

948
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:45,360
is really truly a fact of mother nature

949
00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:48,030
literally exposing herself in a way or

950
00:47:58,220 --> 00:47:51,560
the oddities of her universe

951
00:47:59,460 --> 00:47:58,230
yes be honestly I don't know I don't

952
00:48:17,500 --> 00:47:59,470
know

953
00:48:20,260 --> 00:48:17,510
draw a line pretty much anywhere be

954
00:48:22,780 --> 00:48:20,270
confined you know this sort of stuff

955
00:48:27,310 --> 00:48:22,790
going on everywhere

956
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:27,320
I certainly am more interested in points

957
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:28,910
on the map

958
00:48:34,810 --> 00:48:32,930
you know than lines because you know you

959
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:34,820
can even kind of narrow down the stuff a

960
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:37,130
little better and you can you can see

961
00:48:41,250 --> 00:48:39,050
the locations and you can see their

962
00:48:48,730 --> 00:48:41,260
connectivity I think a little bit better

963
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:48,740
I don't know what could be going on as I

964
00:48:54,190 --> 00:48:51,530
said yet it might be you know in some

965
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,200
places maybe it's geological and natural

966
00:49:03,930 --> 00:48:56,000
I think maybe in some places there is

967
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:07,960
there may be in some circumstances you

968
00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:10,010
know some intelligence at work you know

969
00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:13,880
some sort of everybody sort of has this

970
00:49:21,130 --> 00:49:18,590
that this idea that at least in some

971
00:49:23,110 --> 00:49:21,140
places in some cases that there is an

972
00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:23,120
intelligence at work especially when you

973
00:49:28,270 --> 00:49:25,630
get like the poltergeist type activity

974
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,280
you know things disappearing you know

975
00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:30,800
things reappearing you know the sort of

976
00:49:36,370 --> 00:49:33,140
the time stuff the mind games sort of

977
00:49:38,770 --> 00:49:36,380
things you know the synchronicities and

978
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,780
all that and those are prevalent and

979
00:49:43,870 --> 00:49:40,400
skinwalker and they're all so prevalent

980
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,880
in Marley woods and other spots you know

981
00:49:50,850 --> 00:49:46,240
i I've been in the Waverly Hills

982
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:50,860
Sanatorium you know the haunted place

983
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:53,930
outside of Louisville there and you get

984
00:49:59,050 --> 00:49:56,450
the same sort of stuff in a haunted

985
00:50:01,390 --> 00:49:59,060
places as you do that or allege that you

986
00:50:03,460 --> 00:50:01,400
know place play skinwalker and Marley

987
00:50:05,420 --> 00:50:03,470
woods you know you can get the mind

988
00:50:09,260 --> 00:50:05,430
games and the voices and the

989
00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:09,270
the electricity drains and the equipment

990
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:10,950
disappearing and reappearing you know

991
00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:14,609
you get that same sort of stuff which

992
00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:17,579
gets you to you know if there is an

993
00:50:21,049 --> 00:50:19,140
intelligence where it where is it coming

994
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,059
from you know is it coming from

995
00:50:27,799 --> 00:50:24,240
ourselves somehow is it coming from some

996
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:27,809
sort of interdimensional being or are we

997
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:31,130
talking about you know the classic

998
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:34,170
spiritual beings you know whatever that

999
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:37,740
means you know and I think it might be

1000
00:50:45,099 --> 00:50:39,960
different in different places the

1001
00:50:50,780 --> 00:50:45,109
skinwalker lore incidentally is not just

1002
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:50,790
limited to to Utah Missouri has

1003
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:54,300
skinwalkers as well because you know we

1004
00:50:59,120 --> 00:50:57,180
were along the path of we had quite a

1005
00:51:01,880 --> 00:50:59,130
few native tribes in this area and we

1006
00:51:05,299 --> 00:51:01,890
were you know part of the Trail of Tears

1007
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:05,309
that brought thee the natives to the

1008
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:07,800
reservations and we you know we even

1009
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:12,420
have some parts here a trailer tears

1010
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,780
park here in cape girardeau that has

1011
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:17,520
quite a few good other stories you know

1012
00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:21,170
and some of them are skinwalker related

1013
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:24,119
you know some sort of being some sort of

1014
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:27,420
native being spiritual / even being that

1015
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:31,680
can manipulate its appearance and

1016
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:35,220
deceive people and and has some sort of

1017
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,040
nefarious ominous essence to itself you

1018
00:51:44,839 --> 00:51:42,960
know like maybe a werewolf maybe

1019
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:44,849
people's shame and maybe you know some

1020
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:49,140
sort of devourers creature it those

1021
00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:51,510
things happen here in this area to it

1022
00:51:56,180 --> 00:51:54,260
Missouri has werewolf stories I

1023
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:56,190
investigated one a couple months ago

1024
00:52:00,829 --> 00:51:58,260
near seymour that took place 100 years

1025
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:00,839
ago where they actually shot you know a

1026
00:52:11,059 --> 00:52:03,930
giant wolf that looked like a dire wolf

1027
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:11,069
from the photograph and you know could

1028
00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:13,260
there be some sort of spiritual being

1029
00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:16,630
could there be some sort of

1030
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,140
a magical thing that's where you get

1031
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:22,720
into speculation but I will tell you you

1032
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:25,690
know regardless of how skeptical you are

1033
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:27,910
and I certainly am skeptical on a lot of

1034
00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:30,010
things you know when you're out in these

1035
00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:31,840
places in the dark and these stories

1036
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:33,960
come back into your mind you know you

1037
00:52:45,150 --> 00:52:39,580
you sort of but dispense with your

1038
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:45,160
breaker absolutely and I'm I'm a sucker

1039
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:48,130
for that I love that and and and then

1040
00:52:53,850 --> 00:52:50,770
that I I think that's really interesting

1041
00:52:55,830 --> 00:52:53,860
that there is so many similarities when

1042
00:52:57,540 --> 00:52:55,840
I publish my article in the

1043
00:53:00,080 --> 00:52:57,550
International paranormal Inquisitor on

1044
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:00,090
Oh Marley woods

1045
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:04,690
Georgian app actually you know got on to

1046
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:08,130
one of the posts on lion and he said

1047
00:53:11,850 --> 00:53:10,270
same sort of thing that you're saying

1048
00:53:14,010 --> 00:53:11,860
and George Knapp would know about

1049
00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:14,020
skinwalker ranch right so you know he

1050
00:53:18,780 --> 00:53:16,660
said he has talked to Ted Phillips and

1051
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:18,790
he sort of agrees with the idea that if

1052
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:20,910
there's any other place like skinwalker

1053
00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:23,710
you know it's there in Missouri and that

1054
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:26,230
there are other places like this you

1055
00:53:31,140 --> 00:53:27,490
know perhaps places that are

1056
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:31,150
undiscovered you know because the people

1057
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:34,450
just don't want to be known for the

1058
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:36,310
creepiness you know her weirdness or

1059
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:38,050
whatever I'm certain there are places

1060
00:53:44,850 --> 00:53:41,460
and and Marley wood is way out there

1061
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:44,860
it's you know people aren't just gonna

1062
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:46,900
go out there and you know you're gonna

1063
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:49,260
have to drive four hours from wherever

1064
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:52,510
you know to get out there to those rural

1065
00:54:00,030 --> 00:53:55,810
areas so you really have to kind of go

1066
00:54:01,830 --> 00:54:00,040
out of your way and so I don't think too

1067
00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:01,840
many people hooky venturing out there

1068
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:04,270
even if they're interested researchers

1069
00:54:11,070 --> 00:54:09,430
that's true that is so true and I have

1070
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:11,080
to I just have to ask I know were

1071
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:15,130
limited on time but the 1941 you're

1072
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:17,110
right there at the pinpoint the area

1073
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:21,580
that the activity the UFO what happened

1074
00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:24,640
there in where you live could you could

1075
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:25,990
you tell us a little bit about Cape

1076
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,220
Girardeau

1077
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:30,400
how that all went down yeah I live in

1078
00:54:35,010 --> 00:54:32,710
Cape Girardeau which is a small River

1079
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,020
town on the Mississippi in Southeast

1080
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:36,880
Missouri the area that's called the

1081
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,910
Bootheel that little notch down there

1082
00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:41,440
I'm a little bit north of the Nigerian

1083
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:45,640
but Kate Gerardo along with its other

1084
00:54:55,950 --> 00:54:51,430
UFO accomplishments boasts a flying

1085
00:54:58,770 --> 00:54:55,960
saucer crash that predated allegedly the

1086
00:55:00,930 --> 00:54:58,780
Roswell crash should Kato crash took

1087
00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:00,940
place sometime in April of 1941

1088
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:03,880
allegedly and the story is unlike

1089
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,730
Roswell you know we're dealing with the

1090
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:07,440
secondhand accounts and

1091
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:09,490
multi-generational accounts more so than

1092
00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:15,540
first and witnesses but classic tale a

1093
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:18,460
reverend was asked by the local police

1094
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,849
chief to come and get rights or some

1095
00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:24,720
sort of you know blessings at a

1096
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:27,880
supposedly an airplane crash site one

1097
00:55:31,290 --> 00:55:29,530
night you know they and they get to the

1098
00:55:34,410 --> 00:55:31,300
car and they head outside of town and

1099
00:55:38,010 --> 00:55:34,420
you know it sits in a burning field and

1100
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,020
it turns out to be not an airplane it

1101
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:40,720
turns out to be you know your classic

1102
00:55:48,329 --> 00:55:45,520
flying saucer crash silvery disc cracked

1103
00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:48,339
open with a couple of dead aliens and

1104
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:50,560
and one supposedly still alive you know

1105
00:55:57,089 --> 00:55:52,450
you kind of get that same sort of

1106
00:55:58,859 --> 00:55:57,099
archetype with a lot of these and you

1107
00:56:01,560 --> 00:55:58,869
know they they look at it they look

1108
00:56:04,170 --> 00:56:01,570
inside they you know see hieroglyphics

1109
00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:04,180
and the the creature is a gray looking

1110
00:56:09,930 --> 00:56:07,150
tight beam and then before you know it

1111
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:09,940
you know as the firemen and police are

1112
00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:12,010
putting the stuff back you know you get

1113
00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:14,940
the military that comes up the army and

1114
00:56:21,089 --> 00:56:18,700
you know they cordon off the area they

1115
00:56:24,450 --> 00:56:21,099
swear everybody just you know secrecy

1116
00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:24,460
under penalty of you know trees under or

1117
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:26,470
whatever and you know they clean

1118
00:56:30,839 --> 00:56:28,570
everything up and ship it off to the

1119
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:30,849
nearest base and eventually you know

1120
00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:33,400
probably ends up in wright-patterson Air

1121
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,180
Force Base but this this account comes

1122
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:40,160
from Charlotte man he was

1123
00:56:47,650 --> 00:56:44,480
accounts that supposedly had been shown

1124
00:56:48,430 --> 00:56:47,660
pictures of the alien that was still

1125
00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:48,440
alive

1126
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:50,750
it comes primarily from her as she spoke

1127
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:52,970
at the international yokel congress I

1128
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:56,569
think recently but she's not the only

1129
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:00,079
person that has substantiated this story

1130
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:04,190
I've spoken to dozens of people that you

1131
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:06,049
know remember their grandparents tell

1132
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:07,690
him about it

1133
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:11,119
you know I've even met people that

1134
00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:14,930
claimed to have pieces of the craft you

1135
00:57:21,089 --> 00:57:17,630
know in the way I've been out to you

1136
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,099
know a couple of the alleged crash sites

1137
00:57:26,529 --> 00:57:23,599
you know to document them or whatever

1138
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:26,539
it's sort of a it's sort of an ongoing

1139
00:57:33,490 --> 00:57:31,760
story although there's not much more to

1140
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:33,500
go further with it because we're dealing

1141
00:57:40,029 --> 00:57:38,030
with 1941 as opposed to like 1947 so

1142
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:40,039
most of the primary people are just dead

1143
00:57:46,059 --> 00:57:43,490
but you know it's possible if we can

1144
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:46,069
nail down some of these locations we can

1145
00:57:50,650 --> 00:57:48,890
you know maybe find some debris that's

1146
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:50,660
something that that might be doable in

1147
00:58:00,250 --> 00:57:55,750
the future there also was a nearby

1148
00:58:03,789 --> 00:58:00,260
airplane hangar field that was devoted

1149
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:03,799
to training pilots and we're talking

1150
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:06,700
1941 so it's the lead-up to the war

1151
00:58:15,579 --> 00:58:12,250
there was a pilot training facility

1152
00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:15,589
right nearby and there were certainly

1153
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:19,640
some crashes of students in that time

1154
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:21,770
period so you know are we the only with

1155
00:58:25,150 --> 00:58:24,470
the legitimate crash you know urban

1156
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:25,160
legend

1157
00:58:31,539 --> 00:58:29,210
you know something miss identified you

1158
00:58:35,049 --> 00:58:31,549
know it's sort of upper grabs with with

1159
00:58:38,620 --> 00:58:35,059
all of this but people claim flying

1160
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:38,630
saucer people do claim that it was a UFO

1161
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,890
and it wasn't one of ours and it's

1162
00:58:47,650 --> 00:58:44,480
something that Kate's rather is it's got

1163
00:58:50,529 --> 00:58:47,660
to deal with but for the rest of history

1164
00:58:53,380 --> 00:58:50,539
you know it's good once you get the

1165
00:58:53,770 --> 00:58:53,390
legends attached to you it's not going

1166
00:59:01,390 --> 00:58:53,780
to

1167
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:01,400
as we can but it gets harder and harder

1168
00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:04,400
each year you know yep I hear that and

1169
00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:07,270
the thought of metamaterials in Missouri

1170
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,390
fascinates me man any chance like just

1171
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:13,280
that you know if I get any chance to

1172
00:59:17,350 --> 00:59:14,770
come to Missouri it's a good one because

1173
00:59:19,090 --> 00:59:17,360
not only you guys have White Castle but

1174
00:59:21,850 --> 00:59:19,100
my best friend lives there

1175
00:59:23,470 --> 00:59:21,860
my favorite podcast host is from there

1176
00:59:25,930 --> 00:59:23,480
the list goes on and on I think it's

1177
00:59:27,820 --> 00:59:25,940
beautiful I and I think there's nobody

1178
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:27,830
better to talk to about the mysteries in

1179
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,690
Missouri you've dedicated much of your

1180
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:31,760
life to this amazing part of the United

1181
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,510
States and I believe that if I had to

1182
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:37,760
pick one place to focus my attention

1183
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:39,530
from a river goddess perspective or

1184
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:42,710
worshipping waterways and that amazing

1185
00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:45,290
phenomena that that follows the arteries

1186
00:59:51,130 --> 00:59:49,160
of Missouri and I can't thank you enough

1187
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:51,140
for your time Michael not only tonight

1188
00:59:55,780 --> 00:59:53,330
but also the time you've put in in

1189
00:59:59,590 --> 00:59:55,790
general to these this area these

1190
01:00:02,740 --> 00:59:59,600
subjects and they interest so many of us

1191
01:00:04,990 --> 01:00:02,750
you you're a true help to us all a hero

1192
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,000
to us all and a fountain of knowledge to

1193
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:07,760
a place that many like you said will

1194
01:00:12,910 --> 01:00:10,670
never investigate the way you have your

1195
01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:12,920
efforts are truly appreciated my man and

1196
01:00:19,930 --> 01:00:17,350
by many including myself thank you

1197
01:00:23,860 --> 01:00:19,940
Michael Huntington ladies and gentlemen

1198
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:23,870
what a rockstar couldn't be happier with

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01:00:29,550 --> 01:00:26,690
the knowledge research and attention to

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01:00:32,430 --> 01:00:29,560
detail Michael has put into everything

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01:00:36,310 --> 01:00:32,440
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01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:36,320
for one can't wait to get him back

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he is the only one out there doing what

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